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Students in Japan safe, but many worry about the spread of radiation to Indiana

Published: Monday, March 21, 2011

Updated: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 21:03

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Southern California Edison officials acknowledged the San Onofre nuclear power plant was built to withstand a 7.0 quake, not the 8.9 quake that hit Japan. Although this nuclear plant is similar to the one in Japan, quake experts have said citizens should not be alarmed because the chance of that sized quake and the corresponding tsunami were highly unlikely.

While Ball State students studying in Japan were on Spring Break, the country experienced the worst earthquake in the country's history and shocked the nation into crisis. Now they face a difficult question — stay in the country of upheaval or return home.

Student Scott Combs remained in Tokyo for the break, and said he's staying after it ends early next month.

"I plan to continue my studies as well as my adventures over here in Japan," he said in an e-mail. "The people I'm living with are still a bit on edge, but everyone is staying calm."

Lila Ilyas, another Ball State student studying in Japan, said she was in Australia when the quake hit. It was only shortly after the earthquake that many of the students living in her international dorm temporarily returned to their home countries, or traveled to the southern area of Japan.

With the devastation engulfing the country, Ilyas said she didn't want go back sooner than she needed to.

"I had planned to return to Japan March 16, however since the state of affairs in Japan was unstable I was allowed to postpone my return until this Friday," she said in an e-mail. "My area of Tokyo has mostly returned to normal and I really look forward to returning."

While both students live in Tokyo, they are far enough away from the wreckage and safe.

"It's relatively quiet where I am right now. The effort is now currently focused on search and rescue of the people from the destruction up north," Combs said. "The area around as well as the nuclear power plant issue is also what is being dealt with currently."

Saiful Islam, radiation safety officer and associate professor of physics and astronomy at Ball State, said Japan's main concern is making sure the nuclear power plant in Daiichi is stable.

"The main thing they are tying to do is cool down the plant and the main fuel rod, which is housed beneath the reactor," he said. "You need water flowing through that, which will replace the harmful gases."

Islam said he thinks Japan is doing all they can to suppress the reactor.

"They are doing everything right," he said. "However, in case it goes out of control, there are other options ... such as burring the entire place with cement and other material [similar to what's being done in Chernobyl, Ukraine], but it is not in that state yet."

Islam said the people who need to be concerned are people living within 10 to 20 miles around the nuclear reactor. He said people, food and soil around the area could be exposed to large amounts of radiation.

While Ball State students studying in Japan were safe after the earthquake, people in United States are worried about radiation contamination. However, some local experts said it is not a concern.

Stuart Walker, director of IU School of Medicine - Muncie and alternative radiation safety officer, said there would have to be a much larger amount of radiation for it to make it to the United States.

He described the travel of radiation like a volcano erupting. The plume coming from the volcano travels into the atmosphere, where the particles disperse and dissolve. He said when things travel into a large fluid such as the atmosphere, particles get farther and farther away from each other, essentially cutting the amount of radiation in half.

Walker said the radiation drops so dramatically that even the most sensitive devices cannot read the insufficient amount of radiation.

"As far as I know, at this point the amount getting to the West Coasts are not measurable with normal means," he said.

Walker highlighted how people have radiation around them every day.

"If you live in Indiana you are exposed to radiation because we have radioactivity in things such as radiation gas from people's cellars or carbon 14, radon, and other sorts of low levels of radioactive material," he said. "They even used to manufacture dishware in the 1950s that had a radioactive metal in it, which was even detectable with a Geiger counter."

But for people in Japan, the levels of radiation are dangerous. Walker said the country is taking specific and simple precautionary measures. The three most important are distance, barriers and time, he said.

"One thing people are doing is staying indoors because one thing that diminishes danger from radiation is a barrier. So people inside to some extent have some material between them and the radiation," he said. "People who are working [at the site] reduce the time of their exposure like being in at only 15 minutes at a time, because the longer the time the bigger opportunity of danger. And of course distance. People are making sure they are as far away from the radiation as possible."

David Call, assistant professor of geography, said he wasn't surprised by the amount of damage when he heard about the incident in Daiichi.

"[When I heard about it], I was sorry to hear about all the problems, but I guess I wasn't shocked. Nuclear power is usually safe, but it's hard to make an energy source without any problems," he said.

Call said it was the first nuclear reactor to fail in 25 years, which is good in comparison to other energies.

"For the nuclear plants ... the weakness was the backup generators were in an area that wasn't protected for tsunamis," he said. "Sometimes things come together the wrong way. It's like you're winning in blackjack, and then all of a sudden you're losing seven or eight hands in a row."

 

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11 comments

Anonymous
Fri Mar 25 2011 17:24
Lol!
Have fun with 2 headed babies and cancerous tumors, for the next 50 years until the Uranium runs out, since you obviously have no idea of the dangers of nuclear materials. BTW, if your nuclear waste does poison my land, I will have justice.

As for me, I will be using low-energy, smart technologies to build my house to power itself for 8 months on solar power alone, equipping a duel source methane/ethanol heater to heat my house, and eating fresh fruits and vegetables all winter long from my lean-on green-house. My children will inherit a land with healthy waters and soils, and a working understanding of how to gather energy from the growth of plants and animals. Since both of my primary energy sources are constantly refreshing, my house will be just fine long after the 50 years when your Uranium runs out.

Your house, on the other hand, may look great for a decade or two, but even before the nuclear power is gone, your children are gonna have some issues. Issues that will last for, what, the next 3000 centuries? Good luck with that!

Anonymous
Fri Mar 25 2011 15:47
Have fun living in your shack with no heat, run by a generator hooked to a bicycle. I'm done wasting my time, since you obviously are delusional about green energy and its viability.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 25 2011 01:44
"green" alternatives can't supply the quantity of energy"Nope. In this you are again incorrect. As long as the sun dumps more than 17 TerraWatts or 17'000'000'000 Kilowatts a minute on the earth, there is plenty of energy available, even if you can't charge your cell phone in the middle of winter (and if you have a 4x4 panel that can't charge your phone, you need a new phone, a new solar panel, or both). Wind, Solar, Tidal, Geothermal, as well as Plant Based fuels are all legitimate options that, again, have been ignored to chase petroleum, in part for the continued benefit of those who can control that flow.
"plus the fact that any latitude this far north is marginal."Solar does just fine this far north, if you actually did the math on a 12 hour day of sunlight, you would understand that it will do just fine for most homes for nearly 8 months of the year, and will provide a legitimate supplement even in the middle of December.
While it may not be a complete energy source during the winter, you seem to believe that in the future your energy must come from one source? Apparently you have bought that big discouragement lie by fossil fuel and large corporate energy interests, and the funny part is that your average house energy doesn't come from one source right now! NG lines, 220V Power (from Coal, Solar, NG, Waste Plants, Nuclear, Wind), telephone power (whatever volt that is) and 97-Octane in your vehicle...
No, there is little reason you have to have the majority, or any, of your energy from a power line. I will give you that what you parents lived will never be lived by you, but that lifestyle was so stupidly wasteful, someone should smack everyone over the age of 60 for not standing up and stopping this incredible boon-doggle in the 70's when we first actually had to pay for the energy and should have had the testicles to openly deal with the problem immediately. (continued in the earlier post)
Anonymous
Fri Mar 25 2011 01:43
"As for ethanol, you really think there's a global conspiracy to prevent ethanol production?"
Global? No. Just Petrol/Coal mining company. Do the research yourself on why the prohibition movement got funding from Rockefeller, a man who once said he would rather have a dollar from a hundred people than earn a hundred dollars. Nothing is as funny anymore as someone who likes to pocket conversations by claiming that Moral Hazards don't exist in business and government, and that to claim otherwise is crackpot (or as you try to name 'Conspiracy'). As for subsidies, don't even begin to start on that when you talk about petroleum, coal, or especially nuclear.

"20 pounds of corn"
We already covered that CORN IS ONLY ONE OF MANY PLANTS THAT PRODUCE SUGARS EDIBLE BY YEAST. Besides, EROEI of 2 is still doubling the energy put in. It may not be 100 like light sweet oil, but it sure beats freezing to death or walking everywhere.

"Have you ever seen alcohol being produced? It's incredibly time consuming," Yes. I have made more than a few bottles of 8-12% ethanol. Took little more than a solar kettle and about a week of sitting on a shelf, with occasional turning. While distilling was beyond my legal limits, the argument that it takes a "long time" is the basis of stupid, when you have now repeatedly cheered a process that has 300,000 years to get to 1/4 of starting stock for U233 storage, a point at which it STILL isn't safe to handle...

The 300,000 years by itself also ignores a shrinking Uranium supply, the processing required to dig a half mile open pit, mine rock, crush the rock, chemically leach the rock, run the remaining powder through extensive machinery, only to run that output through even more machines before it is smelted into pellets, the extensive storage sheltering requirements to avoid accidental exposure, accidental fission chaining, or theft....

You are apparently one who is afraid to handle your own business, and you apparently believe that I should be required to be so incapable? I do hope you aren't saying such, but if you believe that I/we must be tied to a nuclear power plant, disallowed to make/gather the fuels/energy I/we desire/require, I think you might just be an enemy of your own future.

Do you know how to safely store U233 for the next 90 years, let alone the next 1000, 10,000 , 50,000, 70,000, 90,000, 120,000 , 150,000...?? Why do you appear to hate your children? Do you expect that some other nation should get that dangerous poisoned land? Are you then an enemy of this nation, or just of humanity in general?

Anonymous
Thu Mar 24 2011 23:37
You're blatantly ignoring the fact that the "green" alternatives can't supply the quantity of energy we need.

Solar is never going to happen.. It can't be harvested efficiently enough... plus the fact that any latitude this far north is marginal... and what happens when it's cloudy? Barely any power at all. Yeah, the sun puts out a metric crapload of power, but you can have a solar panel that's 4 feet by 4 feet, and it can barely charge a cell phone.

As for ethanol, you really think there's a global conspiracy to prevent ethanol production? It only exists so companies can get government subsidies. As soon as those are eliminated, guess what? They're not gonna produce it anymore. Why? Because it takes over 20 pounds of corn to make one gallon of ethanol, and on top of that, there's a net loss of 5400 btus. It's unsustainable.

Have you ever seen alcohol being produced? It's incredibly time consuming, it takes a lot of heat, and it yield a relatively low amount of alcohol. How is that going to produce electricity?

Without fossil fuels, nuclear is the only other way we can produce enough electricity for our needs. Nothing else can produce the quantity of kwh's. Until another technology is developed, or one of the existing alternatives becomes efficient enough, we don't have any other options.

Anonymous
Thu Mar 24 2011 20:07
"Ethanol is ALSO a net loss energy..."
Nope. Alcohol has been made since Yeast started eating things and excreting, and that requires no energy input from humans. You are correct in one part, however, the 'Green Revolution' style of farming (strip mine the earth and use electricity to produce your fertilizers) makes alcohol from grains a negative, but plenty of other practices and plants can do purified ethanol with positive returns. Ethanol production hasn't even started to come into it's own. The biggest problem is that those old-prohibition laws are still on the books, so production and sale of distilled alcohol (ethanol) is still illegal without pain-in-the-rear permitting. The real problem with ethanol is that you can actually make it in your own yard, with minimal pollution, and absolutely no profits to any other business. THAT is why ethanol has such a 'problem'. The profits of alcohol as a fuel cannot be easily controlled by any business (or taxed) once people figure out that you can make the stuff in your garage with almost no formal education, and can be produced with things you can buy at any hardware store, or cleverly make yourself.

Ironic that the rise of automobiles, and the prohibition period, corresponded? The Model-T was capable of using either petrol or alcohol, with no engine alterations, but at least one industry was missing out with all that home-grown competition...

"Solar can't create the kwh's needed," The world used 17Terrawatts in 2008. The sun puts at least that much energy onto the earth every minute. EVERY SINGLE MINUTE... "expensive." Cost is relative. Not dying of an invisible, tasteless, orderless killer, and still having electricity for food storage, medical work, and computers, is worth every cent. Bio-diesel (not ethanol, but still plant based) can be made from nut trees and algae, and you can grow algae while cleaning your drinking water.

As for a return to 1880's, you forget that there was heavy coal use in the 1880's, and that certainly won't last either. More like a return to 1280, but even then there were massive forests to cut down... The bigger problem may be simple human growth at this point. We may find out what it's like to be a yeast cell in a bottle, without a dormant stage to save us... Anyhow, either way, the best solution is real, house-to-house Conservation right now. We know we don't have solutions but are yet smart enough (and capable of behaving appropriately) to see the issue coming.

Toxic and radioactive clouds from "oopsie" reactors are not a very good way to conserve anything, and the storage solution does not exist.

Anonymous
Thu Mar 24 2011 11:02
"Solar panels do work, even in the midwest. Ethanol is not limited to food crops, and the last time I checked, you eat field corn and soy mostly through beef, chicken and pork, which you can live with being more expensive. Tidal power is a legitimate source for coastal cities, and geothermal heating and cooling can offset some electricity needs."

Ethanol is ALSO a net loss energy... it takes more energy to produce it than ethanol provides. Plus the fact that it creates much higher prices for meats (which is ok with the uber-left veggie-munchers). The only reason it even exists is because of heavy government subsidies.

Solar can't create the kwh's needed, and is HUGELY expensive. Tidal power has possibilities, but it's also very limited in how much kwh's it can produce. Geothermal can reduce power needed, but it doesn't GENERATE power.

I'm not saying nuclear doesn't have its problems... obviously it does. But all the "green" alternatives can't generate the kwh's we need. Unless you want to go back to the 1890's.

Anonymous
Wed Mar 23 2011 17:50
Nuclear is a net loss product. Between the mining costs, ultra-fine refining costs, and pre/post-use storage requirements, nuclear power really only equates to a plutonium subsidy for weapons manufacture and a sick *'s joke on his children.
Why? U-233, WITH A 159,200 YEAR HALF-LIFE (~96% of spent nuclear fuel rods), does not equal safe or reasonable storage time! Do you have the budget to keep that electrified, barbed-wire fence repaired, guard dogs fed, and signs painted in current language, for the next 300,000+ years?? We do not have any right to put such a burden on anyone, ever...

Nuclear Plants 'make' Electricity.
Nuclear Plants require that same Electricity on site to work.
No Electricity on site (plant Failure) KILLS 100'S OF SQUARE MILES FOR 100's YEARS.
Even Working these produce wastes that are toxic and radioactive, and which require storage vessels for HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS.

Solar panels do work, even in the midwest. Ethanol is not limited to food crops, and the last time I checked, you eat field corn and soy mostly through beef, chicken and pork, which you can live with being more expensive. Tidal power is a legitimate source for coastal cities, and geothermal heating and cooling can offset some electricity needs.

There is nothing sensible about a 'power source' that REQUIRES power, or else it poisons hundreds of square miles. No outward military strategy is ever served if you 'own goal' during production. Just ask the USSR. There are plenty of energy solutions that don't kill all higher-life in a 100square mile area when they stop working.

Anonymous
Wed Mar 23 2011 16:58
"Charges of 'fear-mongering' may be an attempt to poison the well by those who believe nuclear power has some future other than the persistent contamination of our very limited biome."

Talk about poisoning the well, you're doing a pretty good job with the second half of that sentence.

People are still trying to sell us on global warming, so fossil fuels are out. Ethanol takes food off the table and is a net-negative energy, so that's no good. Wind can supply some, but it only works if the wind is blowing. Hydroelectric works, but needs a high-capacity river, so that limits it geographically. Solar? Puh-leeeze!

Unless there is a new energy source discovered soon, nuclear is going to be the only option to supply an industrialized country with all the power needed. Japan's problems notwithstanding, nuclear is a reasonably safe, clean, reliable energy source when implemented correctly.

Anonymous
Wed Mar 23 2011 11:40
Fallout only requires molecules, so think of something less than the size of a dust particle and ask if it can float? While I don't wish to frighten people, this reality is one that must be considered for ALL such nuclear operations. Ash from volcanoes can carry across the globe, as we have seen more than a few times.

The questions are two: Were the explosion particulates or 'steam releases' at any point carried to upper troposphere? Was anyone unlucky enough to eat, inhale, or drink even a single ba-tard particle? It only requires one erroneous cell division to kill, and you are dividing cells as long as you live.

Google Book "Radioactive fallout after nuclear explosions and accidents" By I���U���ri�� Antonievich Izra��l�� Pg. 150+ for discussion on Chernobyl, which may be the closest thing to what happened in Japan we have yet seen. Pg. 153 has some good discussion on larger dust particulates from that accident. Unfortunately the Google version does not have the full discussion.

This question is much more difficult to answer than distance alone and 'fear-mongering' is relative. Said another way, if you knew it was your children who would be unfortunate enough to be harmed by this sort of carelessness with our future, your concern would likely alter. Charges of 'fear-mongering' may be an attempt to poison the well by those who believe nuclear power has some future other than the persistent contamination of our very limited biome.

"There is no magical place called 'away.'"

Rick S.
Wed Mar 23 2011 03:27
This headline seems rather inflammatory. The article -- and common sense -- ensures the safety of the United States from any potential radioactive fallout from the Japanese reactors. Yet the fear-mongering sentiment is quite bold in the headline.






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