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University Senate discusses Fruesday, smoking ban

Published: Tuesday, October 20, 2009

Updated: Friday, October 23, 2009 15:10

Monday morning, the University Senate Agenda Committee discussed reforms that will affect student life.

The committee talked about doing away with Fruesday classes, using Cardinal Cash in the Village and possibly banning on-campus smoking.

Representing the Undergraduate Education Committee, Assistant Professor of Journalism Dan Waechter suggested that the committee reevaluate the effectiveness of having Fruesday classes.

University Senate Parliamentarian David Pearson said the science department was the first to suggest Fruesday.

"The argument came from the sciences with lab classes," he said. "They needed lab time that was being lost."

Provost Terry King said another purpose of Fruesday is to avoid dropping a day of class, because the university already loses class time for Martin Luther King Jr. Day in the spring.

It was then suggested that the university move Fall Break to the front of Thanksgiving Break so that students could take the whole week off. A possible effect of this plan would be reinstating Saturday finals.

Matt Whitlock, chairperson of Campus Council, said SGA is looking into the possibility of using Cardinal Cash in the Village.

"There is some concern with giving ID numbers out in the community," he said. "We're not trying to take away from campus Dining services because we want to make it possible to use Cardinal Cash at places like the bookstores, too."

Whitlock said a committee is looking into the policy at Indiana University - Bloomington, and how students can use a Cardinal Cash equivalent on Kirkwood Avenue.

Campus Council is considering getting rid of smoking on campus altogether, he said.

"The issue is that as soon as [students] see the smoking areas, they start smoking rather than waiting until they reach the defined areas," Whitlock said.

There is still debate within the council.

"The argument against the overall ban is that people will just smoke anywhere on campus, because they know they'll get in trouble anyway," Whitlock said.

The senate said it would consider these suggestions.

The committee discussed moving faculty evaluations to an online format.

University Senate Chairperson Brien Smith said the handbook calls for each teacher to be evaluated by students in one course, once a year.

Pearson said if the university uses online evaluations, students should not be pressured to participate.

"You shouldn't coerce students to fill it out online in order to get a good grade," he said.

King said if they want to change the format, this is probably the best time to switch to online.

Smith said there will not be a Senate meeting in November because there is no new business.

"I think we should be respectful of the faculty's time and not seem like we're blowing things off," he said.

He suggested sending an e-mail to faulty with an explanation that things are in the system and moving along.

University Senate Undersecretary Melanie Turner said it is important to have a meeting in December, though. That is when the first reading of a proposed constitutional amendment will be given. The amendment is about membership to the Public Safety Committee.

The second reading will be in January, and that's when the Senate will vote on the issue.

If the vote passes, Turner said, each department has to vote on it within 60 days.

"It's a lengthy process," she said.

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19 comments

BSU student
Sat Oct 24 2009 17:28
Awesome. I'm glad that Ball State might move to eliminating smoking all off campus. However, I don't think that will help the problem. I honestly think you will see MORE people breaking the rules, especially those who live in dorms. Though if Ball State is willing to pay me, I'll walk around campus and be quite happy to cite people for violations.
Brandon S
Fri Oct 23 2009 18:52
It would be wrong and unfair for BSU to ban smoking completely. I am always out at LaFollette hangin out with friends and i never see anyone breaking the rules by leaving the designated smoking area with a cigarette. but i will say...i will be one of the many ppl standing in the middle of McKinley smoking..but when i'm too lazy to do that i will definitely still smoke on campus. It is not fair for BSU to take away the right to smoke in the designated areas.
Sigh
Fri Oct 23 2009 18:20
This whole smoking debate is ridiculous. I have hardly seen anyone violate the ban since it was implemented, and it's not like it'd be hard for a smoker to do so. But for the most part, smokers have been respectful of the ban. If the smoking area near LA is a problem, find a new place for it, don't ban smoking all together! It's called compromise, and that's something the Senate seems to forget about.
Brandon
Fri Oct 23 2009 01:47
I'm not sure about the places that you have worked at, but every place I have doesn't accommodate smokers. They don't add in extra breaks because someone smokes. They give the same number of breaks to each individual depending on the shift. Sure, if business is slow, they might let a smoker go smoke a cigarette. I wouldn't consider that "having to accommodate a smoker."
BOLD MOVE
Fri Oct 23 2009 01:30
Wow BSU Alumnus...seriously?
BSU Alumnus
Thu Oct 22 2009 20:23
Ban smoking, next ban alcohol. Then we will ban piercings. This is a slippery slope. I do not want to go down.
BOLD MOVE
Thu Oct 22 2009 11:13
Brandon,
I suppose it just depends on where you're at. My main concern is the smoking section by LaFollette, as I have friends there who can't open their windows unless they want the smoke pouring in. I agree that smoking sections are working for the north end of campus, minus the people who feel they are above the designated smoking areas.

Also, you're right, and employer has never asked me if I smoked during an interview, because I'm pretty sure it's illegal, since you can't hire someone just for smoking. I will tell you one thing, employers generally do not like hiring smokers because they have to accommodate to smoking breaks (which is RIDICULOUS) so more people take up smoking to get more breaks.

Natasha
Thu Oct 22 2009 07:58
I think that banning smoking on campus would be a poor decision. We now have many smoking areas around campus for those who choose to smoke. Plus, they seem to always have people their following the smoking area policy. I rarely see anyone smoking outside of a smoking area. A total smoking ban would not stop smokers from smoking on campus. Besides, do you really think that Ball State would enforce such a ban? If so, how? Don't you think campus security have better things to do than monitoring what people put into their bodies? The smoking areas are working! Just leave well enough alone!
Brandon
Wed Oct 21 2009 22:40
"Bold Move,"
If a smoker must walk (most likely out of their way) to a smoking section then you can walk through your fresh air a little bit out of the way to bypass a smoking section. It's EXTREMELY EASY to get around a smoking section, so I see no reason for you to have a problem with at least them.
As for discrimination and your "so be it." You're saying it's alright to discriminate if it affects you. Tell that to an African-American. I'm sure he'll see it your way.
Oh, and when has an employer ever asked in an interview if you smoke. I'm fairly sure that you nor any other has been asked that. So EMPLOYERS would not be discriminating. States are discriminating against smokers because they are forcing restaurants to be smoke free, which should be the decision of owner. It should not be a state law, though that's a completely different argument.
Tweet
Wed Oct 21 2009 19:48
Which days I have for break and the proper locations where I can destroy my body.... This junk is important to whom??

What happened to 2 assaults in one week and the broken call box on the N side?! That is important business, worthy of a body of governance.

Arguing which days you can slack off on is frivolous.

BOLD MOVE
Wed Oct 21 2009 19:38
Matthew,
Student Government? You mean University Senate...

As for people smoking, I'm cool with it as long as I don't get affected my it. Well, people are smoking and it is affecting me. It may sound like discrimination, but so be it - employers will discriminate against smokers, so smokers should get use to it! Restaurants and cities all over are closing their doors to smokers. Hopefully Ball State makes the bold move.

Matthew
Wed Oct 21 2009 16:58
I thought ball state prided itself with the diversity on campus? Discrimination and segregation are very much alive on this campus. The administration and student government should be ashamed. If I choose to smoke then it's my choice. Telling students they are not free to make their own decisions is not what this school should be teaching.
re-der
Wed Oct 21 2009 15:15
Der, I was thinking the same thing. All those semi trucks they use to pack in our food or pack out our trash are much more harmful that a waft of smoke here or there.
BOLD MOVE
Wed Oct 21 2009 13:00
Brandon, if students need to smoke, they can go to another university. People attending college probably want to get higher education to get a better job, employers don't want to have to deal with smokers, smoker breaks, etc. Waste of time and money!

MAKE THE BOLD MOVE BALL STATE!

der
Wed Oct 21 2009 11:48
I'm all for banning smoking on campus!! But we really need to ban all traffic within a one-mile radius of campus. Car exhaust is harmful when inhaled.
Brandon
Wed Oct 21 2009 09:45
Thanks Ball State. Let's continue America's goal to discriminate against smoker's. I understand not smoking in buildings. I can even go a step further and understand the restriction to "smoking areas." But to completely remove smoking on campus is ridiculous. Should people stop smoking? Yes. But how can the college that receives a large sum of money from each student discriminate against a large portion of it's students. So Ball State, according to your own police department, if i stand in the street and smoke, you can't doing anything about it. Prepare to have a large amount of people blocking traffic down Mckinely.
BOLD MOVE
Wed Oct 21 2009 02:40
I knew the University was planning on slowly phasing out smoking, especially after eliminating one of the smoking sections! Excellent!
steve hurt
Tue Oct 20 2009 19:47
On Tuesday, you go to you Friday classes... Fruesday is a combination of Friday and Tuesday.

Fruesday is not really a problem among students from what I have seen, it is still a normal day of class. Those who have their worst classes on Friday will be upset, those who have their best/ no classes on Friday will be over-joyed. But for the rest of us, it is just another day of college to be honest. I am all for banning smoking on campus. Even with special zones, smokers cant seem to understand the boundaries.

Faye
Tue Oct 20 2009 15:53
What are "Fruesday" classes?? A definition would have been helpful in the article.






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